RE: Forensic/Cyber Crime Investigator
From: "Craig Wright" <cwright () bdosyd com au>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:43:08 +1100

Hi Dave,

It is true that there are cases/incidents that go to court (even virus infections). These are statistically the
anecdotal case is just the exception. In fact if 1% of all corporate (even excluding personal incidents) incidents
involving virus incidents alone where to go to court, the court system would fold.

Look at the volume of cases in any given country in total. No organisation would take a case to court for this for
costs of less than $50,000 loss - it can not be justified financially and the process will generally cost more than
this.

An extra 10,000 - 20,000 cases in Australia (lets take the NSWSC and other Supreme courts in the other states as these
are the required starting point to file claim at this level of loss etc etc) would result in the total collapse of the
legal system. Cases would not be heard. The backlog each year would exceed the number tried.
[http://www.austlii.edu.au is a good source for cases etc]

Based on the number of companies (not businesses, lets narrow this) in Australia, if every "REPORTED" virus incident
was to go to court this would involve at least 200,000 additional cases. (figures calculated from SANS, Symantec and
APRIA data). Even taking the incidents with a reported impact of greater than $1,000,000 based on loss estimates from
the companies we are looking at 30,000 to 40,000 (Mean 37,102 +/- 3,458 at alpha = 5%).

So taking this reduced figure at about 37,000 cases. This is far more than the courts can handle. If only 1 in 4
incidents (with costs over $1,000,000) go to court, this is still more than the system can handle.

Even looking to 100 cases worldwide going to court. This does not even come to 1% of incidents. Thus any incident which
does go to court is an anomaly.

I am certain that the US does not have that many idle judges that they could handle the extra load any better.

As to the CFO and embezzlement. It is rare to have large fraud tried. I teach corporate fraud detection as one of my
"hats" at a chartered firm (like a US CPA organisation).

I have to argue again, Forensic ALWAYS involves court. This is the nature of the word. As stated, involves court does
not mean that it will end up in court, but an affidavit (deposition eqv. US) is a court process even if the document
never sees the light of day.

Dave, you state "But, if we treat them all as if they might end up in litigation and do them in a forensically sound
manner, are our clients, organizations etc, not better served?" Well yes in the ideal world. The real world is not as
nice and not as clear cut.

It is clear that we lack knowledge of the others respective process requirements. Statute is one thing, rules of the
courts another.

Always remember that anecdotal evidence is not scientific evidence.

Regards
Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: dave kleiman [mailto:dave () davekleiman com]
Sent: 10 February 2006 3:44
To: security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Forensic/Cyber Crime Investigator

https://seclists.org/basics/2006/Feb/155?s=09

Dave Kleiman
Dave Kleiman (1967 – April 26, 2013) was a computer forensics expert, an author/coauthor of multiple books and a noted speaker at security related events. Dave was the key figure beside Craig that involved in the development of Bitcoin software. He was also a regular contributor to Cryptography and Security mailing lists where discussions included technical aspects of crypto-systems. He died in his home in April 2013 of complications suffering from a disease called MRSA.

https://gobsv.com/creator

Bitcoin como un Security
Por Craig Wright
25 julio 2021
https://es.ramonquesada.com/espanol-es/bitcoin-como-sistema-de-seguridad-por-craig-wright/

Bitcoin as a Security
By Craig Wright
25 Jul 2021
https://craigwright.net/blog/bitcoin-blockchain-tech/bitcoin-as-a-security/

http://www.davekleiman.com/ interesting that Dave was working for NASA and the Securit-e-doc for Cyber Communication.

For those who like the ironic

Blacknet was first officially funded in 2001
I was disillusioned and left in 2010

2001 was Hal and Dave
2010 was after Hal and Dave

2010 was released in 1984
Core ARE 1984

Movie, 2001 a space odyssey

I started filing What is now metanet in 2001

Hal came in and unfucked a lot

Dave was better than me on some things, I have zero elegance in coding.

I was a functional coder.

Old school. Waterfall. Design first, argue design, then when it works in your head and on paper

Code each part

Or better, hand it off to others :)

CSW
Feb 22, 2019
https://metanet-icu.slack.com/archives/C5131HKFX/p1550857088320800?thread_ts=1550857088.320800&cid=C5131HKFX

Let me make this entirely clear.

The court case is entirely about the origins of bitcoin and Satoshi.

For all the core people out there trying to play this down, there is nothing in this court case if I'm not Satoshi

The issue Is that Ira Kleiman seeks to promote Dave Kleiman as 50% of Satoshi. That is not correct

I don't deny that I had Dave in my life giving moral support and I don't deny that after 2011 we worked together on a few projects

I don't deny that I tried to invite him to work on bitcoin in 2008

I don't deny that I tried to give me contract for work in 2009 that he didn't accept and this led to a venture capital funded company called Greyfog In Australia that produced devices that used the Blockchain in 2009.

However, Dave never accepted the contract as he was too ill and I ended up taking other people who were directors and shareholders in that company including John Keeble and others in the venture ( vulture) capital field

CSW
Oct 30, 2021
https://metanet-icu.slack.com/archives/C5131HKFX/p1635621574238900?thread_ts=1635621574.238900&cid=C5131HKFX

https://t.me/CSW_Slack/3254

No, Satoshi was Me.

Not a partnership. I own my role.

Ps... Dave never coded a line in his life, and documentation is not code.

CSW
Nov 10, 2021
https://metanet-icu.slack.com/archives/C5131HKFX/p1636500014074100?thread_ts=1636500014.074100&cid=C5131HKFX

https://t.me/CSW_Slack/3346

Ironically, the COPA case will fall apart before it even starts.

In a few weeks, the case will end, and the evidence will show that I created bitcoin, alone.

Oh, an injunction to seize a domain takes less than an hour to obtain.

Coinbase could vanish from the Internet in a moment

They are my 1st head

Then Core.

Every dev will capitulate or be enjoined

And, that is from SegWit on.

Resignation now, meaningless

I hope they fight.

I made the offer, I prefer the rejection

I want their heads

I am doing this Genghis Khan style

Ironically, that is similar to the wolf picture Dave had, and which Ira gave away.

CSW
Nov 11, 2021
https://metanet-icu.slack.com/archives/C5131HKFX/p1636660962497900?thread_ts=1636660962.497900&cid=C5131HKFX

Kleiman v Wright: Special Report | November 18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZGFGk4qAmI

Page 13, Section 50: "In April 2013, Dave was found dead in his home. The scene of Kleiman’s death
was gruesome. His body was decomposing, there were wheelchair tracks of
blood and fecal matter, open bottles of alcohol, and a loaded handgun next to
him. A bullet hole in his mattress was found. The exact details surrounding his
death remain unknown."

Isn't this weird to anyone else? Why no coroner report?

"Dave Kleiman would have had plenty of time to reflect on those words from the Byrds’ 1965 hit Turn, Turn, Turn, according to defence witness Dr. Stewart MacIntyre, an infectious disease expert who was one of his doctors. Mr. Kleiman had to spend most of the last years of his life in hospital, Dr. Macintyre said, and to prevent him getting bed sores, the nurses had to turn him over at regular intervals. To remind them when it was time, Turn, Turn, Turn was played over the hospital PA."

Miami shorts: 10 takeaways from another action-packed week in Satoshi trial.
Charles Miller
Nov 21, 2021

https://coingeek.com/miami-shorts-10-takeaways-from-another-action-packed-week-in-satoshi-trial/

Min: 2h30:49
Dave Kleiman never was part of the Tulip Trust

Craig Wright Full Testimony: Hodlonaut v Craig Wright - Day 3
14 sept 2022
This is the full video from Craig Wright's testimony on day 3 of the Hodlonaut v Craig Wright trial on September 14th, 2022.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zkweFcpQMs

La cosa va en este orden:
David Rees https://t.me/DavidRees
Dave Kleiman https://t.me/DaveKleiman
2005 Joseph Vaughn Perling https://t.me/JosephVaughnPerling
2005 https://t.me/+gzWMothcwMhjMDVk
2006 https://t.me/+uHSMFv7ZptswNWVk
2007 https://t.me/+E9CLY7ZRLOU2MWE0
2008 https://t.me/+co9qZ-YLKTQwMjZk
2008 08 BitCoin.org Web Domain https://t.me/BitCoin_Domain
2008 09 Wei Dai https://t.me/+k8JwLk4An6E2YjRk
Ray Dillinger https://t.me/RayDillinger
Hal Finney https://t.me/Hal_Finney
2008 10 31 Bitcoin White Paper- https://t.me/BitCoinWP
2008 10 31 The Cryptography Mailing List. https://es.ramonquesada.com/espanol-es/the-cryptography-mailing-list/
2009 01 SourceForge.net https://t.me/BitCoinSourceForge
2009 genesis block https://t.me/+G9Rcr6_mssgyZmJk
2009 01 03 Chancellor on brink https://t.me/joinchat/hdx4buKx7FU5Zjg0
2008- 2010 Satoshi Nakamoto's Quotes https://t.me/+UOsNUsOjHgk1YssZ
Satoshi Nakamoto Emails https://archive.ph/KpN0p#satoshi-nakamoto-emails
2010 BitCoin https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAEjVJw9xxu6saa__dA
2011 CSW history https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAE3WCVtMji2cJNRvMw
2011 06 24 BitcoinTalk https://t.me/BitcoinTalkForum